APA Style question - HALP

[tzikeh]

How do you cite, both within a paper and at the end in "References", a study which is cited in a textbook?

Example, in Childhood Development, by John W. Santrock, he cites something like "Blah blah blah, the student may find dual-coding confusing (Kroger, 2003)." Then in his References in the back of the book, he has the complete citation (Kroger, J. (2003). Identity development during adolescence. blah blah).

How do I cite that I read this in Santrock, but HE read it somewhere else? It's some kind of nested citation, like a circle in a spiral like a wheel within a wheel!

HALP

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[cereta.livejournal.com]

Which citation format are you using? For APA, this site suggests:

If you use a source that was cited in another source (a secondary source), name the original source in your signal phrase. List the secondary source in your reference list and include it in your parenthetical citation, preceded by the words “as cited in.” In the following example, Critser is the secondary source.

Former surgeon general Dr. David Satcher described “a nation of young people seriously at risk of starting out obese and dooming themselves to the difficult task of overcoming a tough illness” (as cited in Critser, 2003, p. 4).

Basically, whatever format you're using, you want to look for "indirect citation."

PS

[cereta.livejournal.com]

The Purdue Online Writing Lab is teh awesome for all things citation.

[castalianspring.livejournal.com]

I don't know how it is for your field, but I know in science it's generally frowned upon to cite something secondhand. They prefer you to go to the source and cite that, in case the other person has misinterpreted that source or misquoted.

Re: Edited 'cause I didn't read the subject line

[tzikeh.livejournal.com]

So, I would write "Kroger suggested that blah blah blah, the student may find dual-coding confusing (as cited in Santrock, 2008, p. 98)."

Like that?

I find the APA guides online to be hard to navigate. Blerg.

[tzikeh.livejournal.com]

This is a report for a class. So long as it's in APA style, the prof doesn't care.

Re: Edited 'cause I didn't read the subject line

[cereta.livejournal.com]

That looks correct, yeah. Keep in mind I haven't worked in APA for...a really long time (she said, kind of wincing at the actual number of years).

[castalianspring.livejournal.com]

Ah, cool. Lucky!

Re: PS

[nestra.livejournal.com]

Ditto. That's what I used through grad school.

Re: PS

[iseult-variante.livejournal.com]

Delurking to second the awesomeness of the Purdue site, which ironically fails me at indirect citation. This is pretty clear, and from APA itself:

http://www.apastyle.org/faqs.html#13


"Q: How do I cite a source that I found in another source?

A: To cite secondary sources, refer to both sources in the text, but include in the References list only the source that you actually used. For instance, suppose you read Feist (1998) and would like to paraphrase the following sentence within that book: Bandura (1989) defined self-efficacy as "people's beliefs about their capabilities to exercise control over events that affect their lives" (p. 1175).

In this case, your in-text citation would be "(Bandura, 1989, as cited in Feist, 1998)." Feist (1998) would be fully referenced within the list of References. Bandura (1989) would not be listed. For more information on citing secondary sources, see Example 22 on p. 247 of the Publication Manual."

Good luck!

[darthfox.livejournal.com]

I think within the paper your previous comments have got it; in the references section, I'd give the complete cite as given in the thing you're reading, but then note "cited in [whatever it is you actually read]".

Of course I don't know for sure that's APA style. I know it makes complete sense to me, which of course means nothing; and it may also happen to be Chicago Manual (or MLA?) ...

Re: PS

[the-shoshanna.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry -- what?

My incredulity is directed not at iseult_variante, of course, who has provided the exact authority you need, but at the APA guidelines themselves, which -- speaking as a sometime would-be scholar (six years in a variety of grad school programs) and a professional copyeditor of scholarly works for the last decade -- make me sputter apoplectically. Going by this, readers have no way to find out who or what "Bandura (1989)" is! How are they supposed to be able to track down the original idea, or check either Feist's or the third author's interpretation of it? Please tell me the excerpt in the online FAQ is missing a crucial further instruction...

*clutches the Chicago Manual of Style to her bosom*

Re: PS

[thelastgoodname.livejournal.com]

They're supposed to be able to track down the original idea by getting Feist and looking at the page themselves, because obviously they have all the time in the world to do stuff like that, and besides, all people reading this paper would want to know what Feist said as well as what Bandura said because they're supposed to have read every freaking little thing ever written about every single topic in their field ever.

Or, you know, maybe these sorts of citation practices are from a bygone age and things are very different now.

[kiki-miserychic.livejournal.com]

It may not be the "correct" thing to do, but I try to find the original source. If I can't, I cite the original source anyways...

FWIW

[grace-om.livejournal.com]

You're right, of course. But I'm actually working on a review paper for a science journal ATM, and I've had to do a couple of citations exactly as iseult_variante describes above. If the resources of the entire UC library system can't turn a paper up, there's not much choice :-(. Sometimes things are just so old, or in an obscure foreign language journal, and you have to settle for a secondary citation if you want to be complete. I'd always be clear in the text though that extra salt is needed.

Re: FWIW

[castalianspring.livejournal.com]

Heh, true. I've still got a few articles in French and German lying around awaiting translation, as most of the early work in my field was only published in those languages. I always wondered if everyone who cited those really read them in full or just tried to pick out and translate the key bits and graphs like I did.

[tzikeh.livejournal.com]

I have to do it according to APA style, no matter if it makes sense or no.