Um.

Apr. 26th, 2011 03:07 pm
tzikeh: (west wing - bartlet - headdesk)
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Dear Sherlock fandom,

"The Final Problem" -- the Sherlock Holmes story that concludes with Holmes and Moriarty at Reichenbach Falls.

"The Final Solution" -- The Holocaust.

Please, memorize this.

Yours,
tzikeh

Date: 2011-04-26 08:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] brewsternorth.livejournal.com
Grief.

ISTR "The Final Solution" is also (intentionally b/c of the subject matter) the title of a published canon-Holmes fanfic by Michael Chabon, but I doubt that's why the Sherlock fandom who Get It Wrong are confused.

Date: 2011-04-26 09:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] brewsternorth.livejournal.com
Dare I ask if this nonsense cropped up on sherlockbbc or merely on some Sherlock fan's journal?

Date: 2011-04-26 08:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] reginagiraffe
*facepalm*

Date: 2011-04-26 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mirandir.livejournal.com
*laughs so very, very hard*

Date: 2011-04-26 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tzikeh.livejournal.com
Really, what else can you do.

Date: 2011-04-26 08:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kageygirl.livejournal.com
Oh, dear god.

Date: 2011-04-26 08:57 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-04-26 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arallara.livejournal.com
Yiiiikes. Oh, fandom. *sigh*

Date: 2011-04-26 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com
Oh for fuck's sake.

Date: 2011-04-26 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shrewreader.livejournal.com
Isn't there a word for how embarrassed one is by the behavior of someone too ignorant to be embarrassed by their own behavior?

Date: 2011-04-26 09:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] suaine.livejournal.com
Yes, actually, a German word.

"Fremdschämen". It's awesome and translated it literally means being embarrassed on behalf of someone else.

Date: 2011-04-26 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shrewreader.livejournal.com
THANK YOU!!!!

I was looking in the Yiddish dictionary. That might explain my inability to find it....

Date: 2011-04-27 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerel.livejournal.com
So "schadenfreude" isn't just one of those freak occurrences where the language is able to describe a single concept in one word. Awesome!

And yes, Sherlock fandom, please learn the difference. Just trying to help you avoid punches in the mouth or kicks in the shins.

Date: 2011-04-27 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lydiabell.livejournal.com
This is the most wonderful thing I've read today.

Date: 2011-04-27 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] entangled-now.livejournal.com
That's a good word, I'm going to remember it.

Date: 2011-04-27 11:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ratcreature
I don't think I ever heard that word. Is it some sort of recent coinage? And is it actually in use as a verb? I mean, it seems rather redundant when you already say "ich schäme mich für jemanden". So would you say "ich fremdschäme mich für jemanden" for emphasis? To me that sounds really weird, and separated it's not any better with "ich schäme mich für jemanden fremd"? And if it's just used as a noun, why not "Fremdscham" rather than "Fremdschämen"?

Date: 2011-04-27 01:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] suaine.livejournal.com
There's a fairly nice basic article on it (here: http://www.literaturcafe.de/fremdschaemen-definition/ ) in German, but what it comes down to is that as a verb it's always "fremdschämen" and not "fremd schämen" and you'd use it in sentences as "ich hab mich fremdgeschämt" and the meaning of it is rather different than just the regular "schämen". It implies that you're embarrassed on behalf of someone who isn't aware of the embarrassing situation or blithely ignores it. And yes, if you do use it as a noun, although that's rare, you'd say "Fremdscham".

Date: 2011-04-26 09:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] suaine.livejournal.com
This is... you know, that moment where you can't help but laugh because otherwise you'd cry? It's that moment FOREVER.

Date: 2011-04-27 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tzikeh.livejournal.com
My friend Sam came up with the perfect emoticon for that moment:

:D:

Date: 2011-04-27 03:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthhellokitty.livejournal.com
This icon was born in the kinkmeme, but I think it's appropriate...

Date: 2011-04-26 10:13 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-04-26 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dargie.livejournal.com
Oh they did not... did they? *headdesk*

Date: 2011-04-27 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tzikeh.livejournal.com
Seriously, I know!

Date: 2011-04-27 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerel.livejournal.com
Nope, I've been in fandom in too long to be surprised about anything. Even this.

Date: 2011-04-27 01:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dorcas-gustine.livejournal.com
I'm torn bewteen lol and headdesk.

I guess I'll just loldesk.

Date: 2011-04-27 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tzikeh.livejournal.com
My friend Sam came up with an emoticon for this exact situation:

:D:

Date: 2011-04-27 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dorcas-gustine.livejournal.com
lol awesome!

Date: 2011-04-27 01:39 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-04-27 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebratqueen.livejournal.com
Oh god. I shouldn't laugh and yet...

Date: 2011-04-27 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tzikeh.livejournal.com
oh, you should totally laugh.

Date: 2011-04-27 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] latxcvi.livejournal.com
I can't even with fandom any more. I CAN'T EVEN.

Date: 2011-04-27 03:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silveraspen
*applies head to desk*

*repeats ad infinitum*

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