It's past time to cut through this fucking buillshit.

[tzikeh]

I have stayed out of the OTW insanity since it began. I didn't even know how to begin to talk about it, and I didn't want to wade in while things were shaking out, and I didn't want to read things that were going to make me angry, because I knew it would just cause me impotent rage, since there was nothing I would be able to do.



I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE/DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE OTW IF THEIR PHILOSOPHIES ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT (bolded now for those who fail at reading comprehension and think I'm defending OTW, instead of what I'm actually doing, which is bitching about people who hide their identities so that they can say nasty things about OTW), but I am so done with people who are against the OTW with absolutely no facts to back up their opposition. They are the Teabagging Party when it comes to OTW: frothing at the mouth with blind hatred, but they have absolutely no fucking facts and they just believe whatever their mental, seething leaders say without bothering with critical thought, or fact-finding of their own.

In case anyone reading this thinks that I'm somehow part of the OTW "machine," let me be crystal clear. I have no part in OTW. I'm not on the board, I'm not a beta-tester, I'm not a coder, I'm not part of the PR department, I'm not anything at all when it comes to the project. But I am DONE with this fucking insane bullshit Teabagger-mentality ignorance that has spread through some sections of fandom that are just spoiling for a fight with the OTW, because they've heard from someone who knows someone who said something they didn't like.

I have fucking HAD IT.

Whiny, shitty fucks who bitch about the OTW, but create sock-puppet accounts to do it so no one who knows them will know it was *them*, can shove it up their own asses. Cowards. Bullies. Those of you who have a beef with the OTW and have created sock-puppet accounts just to write about it? Show your faces, you craven pieces of shit. How dare you hide so that nobody who knows you finds out what you think. Afraid of conflict with people you know? Coward. You want to dish it out while not having to own it. Put up or shut up.

Comments

[merricatk.livejournal.com]

That would be me. Please show me where I used the word hate. Or even dislike. Please show me where I said one single word against AOOO.

[shayheyred.livejournal.com]

I paraphrased; sorry if that was an incorrect reading of your post. You do seem to have some deep-seated issues that color your opinion of having your works posted to the Archive of Our Own - that much is very, very clear. Your issues are personal to you...but if words like "orphaning" works are upsetting to you, I'm not sure what you'd like the AO3 to call them. As for removing your stories, I cannot for the life of me understand all the hoopla and drama surrounding the OTW or AO3, but if you are averse to the concept, by all means remove your story.

ETA: Ah - here you go:
I wish they weren't using the word orphan. It's too poetic, it puts to sharp a point on the abandonment, it makes me feel terrible. I have abandonment issues. Call me a thief for taking my story back and I can deal with it. Say I'm making my story an orphan, I'll cry.

The movers and shakers of fandom don't want to answer my questions, they don't want to be bothered with my moodiness, and they certainly don't want to cater to my needs, which are emotional in nature.

It's very clear you feel like an outsider: well, guess what? All of us do. We're all weird, or strange, or antisocial, or needy, or off-kilter, or misunderstood, or loners, or geeky, or nerdy, or any of dozens of other things. We're in fandom, out of the mainstream. The only things that have made those "movers and shakers" of fandom well known, or turned them into what you may think of as the "in-crowd" or "cool kids," is that they took a proactive stance and made an archive. Individually they're just like the rest of us. So while I can accept you have personal issues, the fact you acknowledge you are wrong about this (as you note in the same post) means that you yourself know nobody's out to get you, nobody wants to shine a spotlight specifically on your one little NYR fic, and nobody in OTW is trying to pull the wool over your eyes. So take your story out of the archive. So what.

[merricatk.livejournal.com]

I don't want AOOO to do anything differently. I want to be left out of it. And somehow that's translated into into hatred of it, which means that calling me names is perfectly fine.

The AOOO people can't figure out all the hostility towards it, but I think it's the supporters that are bringing that about.

[shayheyred.livejournal.com]

I have said I mistread your post as "hating" the AO3. And I am not calling you names, as in the comment above I am only quoting your own words to you. But I'm afraid I have to disagree with your conclusion that the supporters are bringing about hostility towards the AO3. It was presented as "look! We will have a place to put fannish works so that we won't have to depend on outside sources that don't like fandom!" and immediately, immediately, some folks started up with the vitriol: "You're planning to steal my works!" "You're going to study us and write about us!" "You have nefarious purposes!" Now, you may not have been one of those people, but I assure you, that sort of stuff started up the moment the project was mentioned. Your posts seem to contain great suspicion about the Archive; if you don't mean to imply that, I would invite you to re-read your post. In any case, I repeat the simple advice: take out your story if it disturbs you so much to have it on the Archive. Really. Post it elsewhere. Or don't. I will never understand this opinion, but you're entitled to it.

You have people (like elfwreck( who say they want you to like the OTW and/or AO3. Clearly there are people out here who value you and your work. But please don't continue to wallow in unhappiness and negativity. It cannot be good for you.

[merricatk.livejournal.com]

Oh, for the love of--

But please don't continue to wallow in unhappiness and negativity. It cannot be good for you.

I suspect this is a variation on the "you seem angry" ploy that diverts an argument from the original subject to the state of mind of one of the participants. And the assumption is always based on how the participant is at that moment--which is generally angry, since they're having an argument!

So, let's play, only we'll focus on you. Having been unable to back up what you said, you gave a cursory apology, then said how you were right all along and spent over well over half the post trying to make me feel small and unimportant. What does that say about you?

And now you're concerned about what's good for me? And you're basing that on one post and some comments on a subject I'm upset about? Really?

It's been fun playing, but when I want to be analyzed, I go to my therapist. I know she knows what she's doing, and I know she's genuinely concerned about my well-being.

Oh, and I'm sure you're right that there were angry extremists who started out hating/fearing OTW/AOOO. But those of us who just aren't interested are being treated like angry extremists. What I'm angry about is being treated like the enemy when I haven't fucking done anything! Instead of being nice to me and maybe winning over a small, unimportant convert, you're belittling. How smart is that?

[shayheyred.livejournal.com]

Funny that you object to my comment about wallowing, seeing as my original line, which I deleted, was, "You have people (like elfwreckwho say they want you to like the OTW and/or AO3. Clearly there are people out here who value you and your work. As for me, I don't get why they're so concerned about you, since you wallow in negativity. So I guess I'm sorry for trying to at least sound like I cared.

Not trying to derail you. Trying to say, come, go, whatever. I don't actually care, and I doubt anyone else will.

[merricatk.livejournal.com]

As for me, I don't get why they're so concerned about you, since you wallow in negativity.

I don't think lying to sound like you care really appeals to anyone.

Trying to say, come, go, whatever. I don't actually care, and I doubt anyone else will.

Hm, from the way you keep saying that--not just that you don't care what I do but that no one does, you're aiming to hurt my feelings, even though you've said more than once how unhappy I seem. To my mind, you seem callous person who likes hurting people, particularly people you see as already hurting. Like everyone else, you get embarrassed when you make a mistake (the first post you made about my hating AOOO) and you lash out (like most people).

Hey, I like this side of the game!

[shayheyred.livejournal.com]

It must be very hard being you.

[merricatk.livejournal.com]

Always has been.